A Brass Badged Sargent Made Craftsman #414C.

Here is a Brass Badged Sargent Made Craftsman #414C. I don’t normally restore Craftsman planes anymore. Not because they are not great users, they are, but because they usually have a low resale value. I don’t really know the value of this Brass Badged Sargent Made Craftsman #414C, its probably not extremely valuable, but it fits into my Sargent collection nicely.

 

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No its not a Sargent 5409, but the other one?

I’ve got a very strict rule about computers. After the 2nd cocktail, I don’t return work emails and I don’t buy on ebay. But, who follows rules after the 2nd cocktail?

Apparently not me. The work rule is easy. Who wants to work once the fun starts. So I made this impulse purchase. Its 2 planes. I thought one was a Sargent #5409. It was all there, the thin casting, the steel insert in the adjustment knob, the twisted lateral and a corrugated bottom.

The problem!

The problem was the corrugated bottom was on the “other plane”.

A little bummed but I still had a decent type 3 Sargent 409. It’s got an American Beauty cutter, so I know that’s not original. I need to find out about the American Beauty part, but Sargent didn’t make a cutter back then with the round hole at the bottom of the cutter.

The other surprise was I was sure the other plane was a Defiance. But it had a corrugated sole and I didn’t think the Defiance came corrugated. Well come to find out, in 1939 (yep for 1 year) Defiance made a corrugated. Since the #1204 Defiance was made from 1932-1953, and the #1204C was only made in 1939 I’m going to assume it fairly rare.

But here is the Sargent type 3 #409 anyhow. Look for the Defiance in days to come.

If you know ANYTHING about the “American Beauty” Iron, I’d love to here from you. I know there is an American Beauty company in business today, I just don’t know if it’s the same, and they don’t do planes anymore.

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A Sargent #5418 ready for Service.

In between getting a bunch of new old planes ready for resale I decided to resurrect this Sargent #5418.

This was one of those impulse buys. It was just a base and frog that had already been refinished. Anything in the #5400 series  is fairly scarce, so I snapped it up.

This one has the 2 piece adjuster. I remade the tote from a piece of Honduras Rosewood.

Unfortunately the cutter is not the right vintage. It’s a bit newer than the plane itself.  

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A Sargent #410 restoration

So last time we talked about making a new mahogany tote for a type 4 Sargent bench plane I found at a flea market.

This one was a little different. The tote screw had been replaced with a larger diameter version. I’ll assume what ever happened to the original tote, also stripped the threads so a larger on was fashioned.

Also a type 4 would typically have metal knob and tote screws, but this one has brass. Were they changed when the tote screw was re-made? I’m guessing we’ll never know.

Here is the before and after pictures.

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And here are the after.

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Sargent type 4 Bench Plane – 400 series

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Keep in mind, Sargent type study is a confusing work in progress. Please email me your example and expect things to change from time to time.  All dates are from Dave Heckel’s book unless otherwise stated.

Its got a type 3 cutter  (1910-1918)

  • A type 3 cap.                (1910-1918)
  • One piece yoke
  • Replacement  knob and tote so this is unknown
  • Plane number behind frog
  • Steel knob and tote nuts
  • Steel Adjuster knob
  • Sargent stamped behind knob

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This is the same as indicated by HMike

Old Sargent Planes #2: Typing the type 2 or 3 409c (or maybe 5409)

 

Keep in mind, Sargent type study is a confusing work in progress. Please email me your example and expect things to change from time to time.  All dates are from Dave Heckel’s book unless otherwise stated.

So again I find myself engrossed in the type information found in Dave
Heckel’s guide, and HMike’s
Blog.

I bought this because real early corrugated planes are not as common place as
some others. And as usually dating them can be a bit of a challenge.

The lever cap has the number and the cap, which means it could be a type 1, 2
or 3.

The frog puts it around a type 3, assuming all type 2’s had the horseshoe
lateral.

The base also put it at a type 3. The thin casting and squared post seem to
correspond to type 3 as well.

The adjuster however puts it at a type 2, with the steel insert.

The iron is also a clear type 2 iron with the oval logo and USA in the
center.

So here it is in all its glory.

My guess at this point is I didn’t find one of the Sargent enthusiast well
sought after 5409, but a very early 409c, with Sargent using up some of the
parts. Of course there is also the possibility that its a very late 5409, with
sargent using some of the new 409C inventory on the plane. Further investigation
may be needed.

Determining a Sargent Bench Plane vintage. Type 2 & 3.

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Old Sargent Planes #3: Determining a 408 versus 5408

Types: Type Main Page, Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Type 4, Type 5, Type 6, Type 7, Type 8.

Keep in mind, Sargent type study is a confusing work in progress. Please email me your example and expect things to change from time to time.  All dates are from Dave Heckel’s book unless otherwise stated.

I bought this hoping it was a 5408, but knowing I would love to add it to my collection even as a 408. If you look at the last blog  about the 5400 series, I compared what I believe to be a 409 and a 5409. So lets look at this new 408.

Working through the criteria for a 5400 series.
Here is what this 408 has.
– corrugated sole
– a blank cap
– Cutter marked with Oval Trademark with U.S.A. in center
– Two-piece cutter adjusting nut, brass with a steel insert for the threads
– PAT. FEB. 3 -91 on lateral lever (this is for both type 2 and type 3 laterals. They were issued the same day)
– They can have either the horseshoe or 2nd pivot lateral style to be a 5400 series. This has the second.
– # 400 series plane number might or might not be on plane body. usually not, no number on the 408.

Here is where I’m not sure.
Tote is mahogany. OK, I’m sure its mahogany and not rosewood, so that make its a 408 instead of a 5408, in theory anyhow.

To be a 5400 series it must have the thin casting. So determining the thin casting isn’t as straight forward. Here it is.

I think its the thin casting. But until I find a 408 to compare. I can’t be sure.

Here it is, just as I bought it. Not much for me to do but enjoy it.

Sargent #415

Next is the Sargent #415. The Sargent# 415 is like the Stanley# 5 1/2 size. This one I have before pictures of.

Note the condition of the knob and tote. They obviously needed replacement, and I wanted something other than rosewood. I decided on bloodwood. A lot of Sargent’s came with Mahogany, but I didn’t have any available. I thought this was a suitable replacement. And Of course I never make one at a time.

The japanning was shot as well, so it needed to be stripped and repainted. As with the #708 and all my repainting, I used Dupli-Color Engine Enamel DUPDE1635 Ford Semi Gloss Black spray paint

 

I put a modest camber on the blade, so no full width shavings, but a nice jack style plane for my collection.

 

And the two together

Thanks for looking and may all your irons stay sharp and your shaving stay crisp.

The Sargent 708

I bought this plane because it came with some others that I made a deal on. It didn’t have a iron and it sat for a while. After doing some research I found out these go for a quit a bit of money, so I figured I find a blade and get it working. The #708 is a #3 size smoother.

After looking around a bit and emailing a few people, Bob Kaune over at http://www.antique-used-tools.com emailed and said he had a blade, so I bought it.

The plane needed repainting so I sandblasted it and stripped it. Painted it with Dupli-Color Engine Enamel DUPDE1635 Ford Semi Gloss Black spray paint as I suggest in my restoration blog.

The Sargent 708 has a feature I haven’t had on any bench plane before. The front piece acts as the cap iron and its adjustable, so you can fine tune it for a very thin shaving, without taking anything apart.

This plane works amazingly well. This piece you see it sitting on is a piece of ash I use for testing. This is the first plane that totally eliminates tear on this stuff, including the Ulmia 25.

Note all the pictures. I just kept stopping what I was doing (restoring a Sargent 415) to take a few shavings. It was wonderful.

 

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I can find any before pictures, but its in with a group.

 

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